This is Care Opinion [siteRegion]. Did you want Care Opinion [usersRegionBasedOnIP]?

"Prescribed timeframes & hospital policies"

About: Armadale Hospital / Birth Suite (and Antenatal Assessment Unit)

(as the patient),

I gave birth at Armadale Hospital. I was praised to arrive at the maternity ward at 8cm dilated as the hospital staff didn’t want me to come in earlier. I feel this mentality of praising about cervical dilation around the 8cm mark should have warned me that I should have gone home.

Since then I have learned from my experience and reading research papers that cervical dilation is not a true indication of labour progress, yet as I understand it hospital policies are still abiding to cervical dilation to dictate when women are in established labour. I feel I was naive to trust that I would be able to have an undisturbed physiological birth at Armadale Hospital. Yet, I believed what they told me in their antenatal classes.

Firstly, I requested the birth pool as I had signed the documents, yet I was told I could not have one (I believe probably because no midwife was qualified for it). We used the shower instead for pain relief and to keep me warm as I was freezing cold and shaking. I was given a very thin sheet by the midwife on shift. I lost my water a couple of hours later and then everything unfolded very quickly as it turned out that it would be a long labour. As a first time mother, I knew this and they tell you in the classes to expect a longer birth. However, they don’t tell you about the prescribed timelines that I believe they have in their hospital policies. It seems to me they want quick births because they perform so many vaginal examinations that it’s risky to have a longer labour due to the risk of infections (and yet, I recall cervical dilation doesn't indicate the labour progress!). I received at least 5 vaginal examinations.

After losing my water, I wanted to lie down and rest as I didn’t manage to get much sleep in the last few days due to heartburns. Yet, I was constantly disturbed and that’s when I first met the GP Obs, who wanted to augment my labour because my contractions weren’t the ones they expected I would have and also, I was no longer dilated ( I was at 5cm). They offered me the option by calling it 'syntocinon'. I felt I was lucky to know what they were was talking about and I quickly refused and preferred to get up to get the contractions going. I believe it would have led to more complications and more likely a C-section. I’m glad I refused as baby and I were doing fine.

This GP Obs might have gone home because another GP Obs took over on top of the midwife. From there on, I felt I was threatened a couple of times with a C-section if the baby wasn’t coming anytime soon. I felt I had to keep advocating for myself constantly, leading to huge fatigue and stress.

On top of that, I had what they call an 'involuntary urge of pushing'. I believe it's perfectly normal and is triggered by the position of the head of the baby but I was constantly told by the midwife don’t push! As if I can stop my body from contracting and pushing! I thought what nonsense! I was offered Entonox (gas) multiple times by this midwife as they said it might help to stop the urge to push. And I believed them! After more research, I believe that the gas doesn’t stop contractions or the urge to push. Again, I felt it was just non sense here, and I believe this probably stems from hospital policies about what they call 'involuntary urge to push'. It seems to me it’s because they believe women’s bodies don’t know what to do in labour and that I was going to hurt my cervix because It’s still 'not dilated' enough to their liking!

Once my cervix was 10cm dilated, I was told I needed to push, even though my body didn’t feel ready. I believe this led to more complications and I was exhausted to advocate for myself, especially because I recall the midwife had increased the levels of the gas without my consent. I was constantly passing out by then. I deeply regret not having hired a doola, they would probably have got me to stop taking the gas before I got too woozy, I couldn’t even talk properly! Since I felt I was put on a timeframe to birth my baby, I pushed as hard as I could in a position that I didn’t find comfortable or helping me. It’s also worth to note that for this hospital, a pushing phase longer than 90 min is classified as 'delayed labour'. I’ve learnt since then that this phase can take many more hours. Yet, it was a race to deliver this baby who had no distress signs. I capitulated by allowing a vacuum extraction and I was not explained the risk associated to this method, which I believe later prevented us to breastfeed in the postnatal ward due to other complications. During the extraction, they noted that the baby had an anterior shoulder, which I believe was more than likely caused by all the interfering and making me push before my body was ready to do so. Because of this, I will not be eligible for a home birth with the community program next time. It’s probably for the best, as I don’t trust hospital staff anymore based on my experience and I don’t want any vaginal examinations ever again when giving birth. I will hire my own private midwife instead.

Why does it seem my labour and baby’s program need to fit with the labour conceptions of GP Obs? How many physiological birth do they mess up with their prescribed timeframes? Especially for first time mums? Why did I feel 'groomed' by the midwife to accept the Entonox? And then the levels were increased and I didn’t know about it? I feel it's very disturbing. I had to advocate for myself and my baby during the whole labour!

In my opinion, all women deserve woman-centred, respectful care that recognises them as the expert regarding their body and baby. Please review your policies for physiological births Armadale Hospital! I believe breastfeeding rates would be higher if physiological births weren’t interfered with!

Do you have a similar story to tell? Tell your story & make a difference ››

Responses

Response from Neil Cowan, Executive Director, Armadale Kalamunda Group, EMHS 2 years ago
Neil Cowan
Executive Director, Armadale Kalamunda Group,
EMHS
Submitted on 7/11/2022 at 1:43 PM
Published on Care Opinion at 2:11 PM


picture of Neil Cowan

Dear irregularitycr67,

Thank you for taking the time to share your story about your experience whilst giving birth at Armadale Health Service (AHS). Feedback such as yours enables Armadale Kalamunda Group (AKG) to reflect on its service which is always important.

Firstly, I would like to extend my congratulations to you and your family on the birth of your new baby. At AHS we endeavour to provide our patients with a positive birthing experience and I am sorry to hear this was not the case for you.

Without being able to review your medical record it is difficult to comment on your specific admission however I hope the information provided below helps to answer some of your concerns.

Praising cervix dilation is meant to encourage women during birth and I sincerely apologise for any distress this caused you. Without a review of your medical record and understanding the timeframes it is difficult to confirm how many vaginal examinations were performed and why. A vaginal examination can be performed every 4-6 hours to ensure birthing progress, however the practitioner should be discussing the reason for each examination with the women at the time. I am sorry if this did not occur.

I apologise that your request for a water birth was denied and if the reasons for this were not communicated to you clearly.

The midwifery team has apologised for your experience of being cold and that you were only offered a light sheet. AHS has a blanket warmer and I am sorry the option of warm linen was not made available to you.

Prior to offering women any informed options in relation to concerns the General Practitioner (GP) Obstetricians have during the birthing process, the full clinical picture is assessed. This includes reviewing the maternal vital signs, the Cardiotocography (CTG) and the findings from the vaginal examinations. I am sorry that you felt threatened regarding the discussion on treatment options which included Caesarean section and that the reasons for these options were not made clear to you at the time.

In general once a woman is 10cm dilated one hour is given for passive descent of the baby’s head into the mother’s pelvis and during this time there is encouragement not to push because if the baby’s head is not in the correct position it can cause swelling of the maternal passage. After one hour for passive descent, there is generally an hour given for active pushing if no epidural has been given and two hours if epidural is in situ. After this timeframe (of two – three hours) an assessment is completed and then options are discussed with the woman. The vacuum extraction would indicate there were clinical signs the medical staff were concerned about. Before vacuum extraction can occur the service is required to ensure the woman is fully informed on all the risks which includes signed consent which is documented in the patients records. I am sorry you feel the risks associated with this delivery method were not explained to you clearly and may have contributed to your inability to breastfeed in the postnatal ward. According to the available data AHS breastfeeding rates are high, however I do agree that the birthing experience can interfere with establishing breastfeeding.

AKG strives to always provide quality, respectful, patient centred care and again I am sorry this was not your experience.

We would welcome the opportunity to meet with you to discuss your feedback. I encourage you to contact the Consumer Liaison Officer on (08) 9391 1153 or via email AKG_ConsumerLiaison@health.wa.gov.au so this can be undertaken.

I wish you and your family all the best for the future.

Kind regards

Neil Cowan

A/Executive Director

Armadale Kalamunda Group

  • {{helpful}} {{helpful == 1 ? "person thinks" : "people think"}} this response is helpful

Update posted by irregularitycr67 (the patient)

Thank you for your reply.

Just to give more background when you talk about assessing the full clinical background - What happened: Waters broke, dilation went from 8cm to 5cm, baby’s head was -3, I felt tired and wanted to rest.

I understand beta endorphins help create an altered state of consciousness and due to the opiate effect I needed a lie down. Contractions remained 3:10. There was an “involuntary” urge to push and as I understand it, mother and baby were fine. Yet, I was "offered options" to speed up my labour and in my opinion, we all know that a cascade of interventions can happen after being hooked to synto. Risks being hyper stimulation, caesarean, malposition of the baby, shoulder dystocia, perineal tearing, neonatal complications, PPH, difficulty with establishing breastfeeding, depression and anxiety and possible behavioural disorders in childhood (possibly due to syntocinon crossing the blood-brain barrier of the baby).

So no thank you, why would I want to have syntocinon while baby wasn’t in distress, so that then they might become distressed? I think it’s highly likely that my baby was still OP at that stage. I believe a posterior position can also alter the pattern of labour, often resulting in a longer early labour phase and irregular contractions (hence why the early urge to push).

It seems we expect with progress of labour that labour will be linear, that it will start and continue to progress. However, If the baby needs space to get into a better position, we will see contractions slowing down, space out, give that body more softness for that baby to move. I believe it’s evident in physiological labours in home settings. In my opinion, you need to go and witness real physiological births if you want to improve. Learn to look and listen for cues to determine how labour is progressing instead of inserting fingers in a woman’s vagina.

You say that “there is generally an hour given for active pushing if no epidural has been given and two hours if epidural is in situ.” Well it’s great to see you are giving at least 2 hours for women who had an epidural to allow for passive descent. but I’m sorry, I feel one hour is a very small window for someone who is having a physiological birth. There is a grey area once women reach 10cm. As I understand it, it doesn’t mean that the body is ready yet to push and this could take a few hours. Please consider to stop diagnosing full dilation and wait until woman exhibit external signs for them to do their things if mum and bub are well.

Let’s remind everyone reading this exchange about 6 ways to promote physiological births as I understand it: Privacy, safety, unobserved, low (people should stay at the woman’s eye level), slow movements, quietness. In all honestly, I feel it’s quite amazing that some women are able to give birth in a hospital environment without interventions really!

It’s time that we change the current birth culture. In my opinion, most women don’t fit into your system’s practices and the pattern that is being set as default. I understand the birth trauma rates are increasing in Australia, on top of a rising rate of caesareans and inductions. In my opinion, it’s time to make change happen and Armadale Hospital could take the lead and show the other hospitals in Perth how they truly support midwifery and continuity of care.

Response from Neil Cowan, Executive Director, Armadale Kalamunda Group, EMHS nearly 2 years ago
Neil Cowan
Executive Director, Armadale Kalamunda Group,
EMHS
Submitted on 8/12/2022 at 3:16 PM
Published on Care Opinion at 4:28 PM


picture of Neil Cowan

Dear irregularitycr67,

Thank you for your further Care Opinion response.

I would very much like to reextend my invitation to meet with you face to face to discuss your experience. Please contact the Consumer Liaison Officer on (08) 9391 1153 or via email AKG_ConsumerLiaison@health.wa.gov.au so this can be undertaken.

I wish you and your family all the best for the future.

Kind regards

Neil Cowan

A/Executive Director

Armadale Kalamunda Group

  • {{helpful}} {{helpful == 1 ? "person thinks" : "people think"}} this response is helpful
Opinions
Next Response j
Previous Response k